Oedipus is a reliable ruler, but very sneaky. He wants to help his people with the plague and end the madness, but he just doesn't know how. He is sneaky because Teiresius is blaming him for the murder but Oedipus is acting completely oblivious to it all.
When Teiresias says darkness on your eyes I think he means that Oedipus is looking past things. But in the next line Tersesias says Oedipus as straight vision which I think means that Oedipus acted as another person until the king was killed and then he acted so smart after the throne was open.
Oedipus is a reliable ruler but also very sneaky. He is reliable because he will do anything to stop this plague. But I think he is sneaky because he was acting oblivious to everything that Terisias was saying.
Post 1: Oedipus is a good leader so far. He is willing to help Thebes, which is in a deadly plague. He does what he can to try and save said city. He sent out messengers to find Teiresias. He doesnt think Thebes is hopeless yet.
Post 2: I think Oedipus is blind in a sense where he is not willing to accept the fact that he killed Laius. It was his prophecy to do so, and the "darkness" is the cloud of a erie sense of betrayel. If he actually did come to his sense and accept the fact that he might of murdered his father, he would probably be able to "see" as in realize that the prophecy may be true.
Teiresias was smart in the way that he accused Oedipus. He knew what Oedipus did, and knew that he was right. I think darkness meant that Oedipus was hiding many things and problems from his people and not sharing much with them. I thought blindness meant that Oedipus wasn't looking towards the future. If he did, he would probably realize that the people of Thebes would no longer accept him. When I read the straight vision, it seemed like it almost meant that Oedipus was only looking at whats in front of him. He only wanted to supposedly find the murderer of Lius, but he didn't understand what this could possibly lead to.
I agree with Sadie and Basketballer. Oedipus was sneaky, but when Tieresias blamed him as he did, you could tell that Oedipus was not ready for it. Although he didn't want to back down, it seemed as though Tieresias had a point, especially since he was so sure of himself. I guess, since Oedipus was sticking to his word and trying to find the murderer of Lius, then you could call him dependable, or reliable as basketballer said it.
I feel Oedipus is a good leader. I agree completely with Sadie when she said he will stop at nothing to help his people. That is a very good thing for a leader to have but he also is helping them because he doesn't want to be killed. In a way it could be selfish and selfless. I believe his is reliable though and that he will follow through on his promise of finding the killer. I think that Tieresias could be pinning the murder on him and that it could have been him because it was his "father" and he could have murdered him for his power like Tiersias said: "You have your eyes but see not where you are in sin, nor where you live, nor whom you live with. Do you know who your parents are? Unknowing you are an enemy to kith and kin in death, beneath the earth, and in this life. A deadly footed, double striking curse, from father and mother both, shall drive you forth out of this land, with darkness on you eys, that now have such straight vision. Shall there be a place will not be harbor to your cries, a corner of Cithaeron will not ring in echo to your cries, soon soon -- when youb shall learn the secret of your marriage .... Misery shall grind no man as it will you." So even if he is reliable he still has secrets according to the prophet and whether the people believe that is up to them but I don't think that everything about the king is innocent and trustworthy. -Katie Manzo
I agree with Katie and everyone else. They made some good points about how Oedipus was a good leader and why. Like Sadie said "He will stop at nothing to help his people, the people of Thebes. He knows that without his help, they'll all die from the plague." The one part that really stood out was that he cared, it seemed like everyone really said that. I believe that he cared by what he said he was going to do for the towns people. He promised many things that might not happen but he will work towards that. I think that if i was a leader then i could not be like Oedipus, because i would be afraid that i would promise the people something and let them down, so for Oedipus to promise what he promise took a lot of courage.
I agree with Katie and everyone else. Oedipus I feel is a good leader, he will stop at nothing to get what is needed for his people well being but on the other hand he is sneaky and will stop at nothing to hide his flaws and his secrets. Without a leader like Oedipus I feel that his people would have parish long before. He promised many thing to his people few that I think we will manage to get done but the idea will raise his people’s sprits some I think.
Teiresias says "A deadly footed, double striking curse, from father and mother both, shall drive you forth out of this land, with darkness in your eyes, that now have straight vision." This I feel that Oedipus seems like a great leader and the last person they would look at for such a horrible crime. But I also feel that is says he is imbibed with a false look of the perfect leader is a man who is shady and with stop at nothing for his own twisted needs of power and trust from his people that he greatly betrayed.
I agree with what Katie said that Oedipus was a good leader and that he is reliable and that he will follow through on his promise of finding the killer. I think Oedipus was shocked when Tieresias told him he was the fault of the plague among his people. I think he didn't want to believe it because it meant to him that he let his people down. He was a dedicated leader and wanted the best for his people.
I like what basketballer said in her comment, "When Teiresias says darkness on your eyes I think he means that Oedipus is looking past things. But in the next line Tersesias says Oedipus as straight vision which I think means that Oedipus acted as another person until the king was killed and then he acted so smart after the throne was open." I really think she is right when Oedipus is looking past things. I think he is to. He isn't looking at the basic picture. He is making things more difficult for him instead of just looking at the moment.
Oedipus was born a prince and raised to be a king. He wants to keep his throne to save himself even if he is a bad ruler. He possesses overwhelming pride. Most every action he takes is for himself. He very often blames others to protect himself. Oedipus was a very strong king until the city of Thebes was stricken by a god sent plague. I disagree with Sadie when she says "he will stop at nothing to help his people" because he was actually quite selfish. -post 1
I thought what Sadie said was very good. It was clear and exactly what I was thinking. Oedipus is a sneaky person who doesn't want to admit his actions. "Oedipus may seem perfectly innocent and the perfect leader, but if the people of Thebes found out he was the murderer he would be shunned and his once innocent (straight) eyes would become black with betrayal." I thought this was the perfect description of why Oedipus didn't want the people of Thebes to find out that he was the murderer.
Teiresias talks about being taunted for being so called blind, but then he brings up the fact that Oedipus is blind to everything he does. He is pretty much saying that Oedipus was being sneaky.
Post 1: I would characterize Oedipus as a leader as someone that I want to trust but don't. When he says all the bad things he will do to the murder I feel like, "Wow he really stands up for his city and takes charge." But, I wouldn't trust him because he seems to be very reluctant to accept things. When he talks to Teiresias he gets very wound up about something that he has been pressing for.
Post 2: The references to darkness and blindness in Teiresias' speech are when he talks to Oedipus about his blindness of his sin. He doesn't see what his problems are. Teiresias targeted Oedipus' ability to 'see' but that he really couldn't see what was happening.
I agree with basketballer4814 that Oedipus is kind of sneaky. At first when Teireseus says that the murderer is Oedipus he pretends he doesn't know what Teireseus is talking about. I kind of agree with Michelle that Oedipus could be selfish, but I don't think he actually is. He may seem nice sometimes and sometimes he seems selfish, right now it's hard to tell.
Oedipus is a great leader. He will stop at nothing to help his people, the people of Thebes. He knows that without his help, they'll all die from the plague. Oedipus knows that to end the plague he needs to find Laius' killer and he'll stop at nothing to find them. When Teiresias tells Oedipus that Oedipus is the killer, he does not stop arguing until Teiresias finally says its not Oedipus. He doesn't give up. Teiresias says "A deadly footed, double striking curse, from father and mother both, shall drive you forth out of this land, with darkness in your eyes, that now have straight vision." I think Teiresias is saying that now Oedipus may seem perfectly innocent and the perfect leader, but if the people of Thebes found out he was the murderer he would be shunned and his once innocent (straight) eyes would become black with betrayal. The people of Thebes would no longer trust him.
I agree with what Tasha said about Oedipus being in hiding. He was hiding in the dark from the actions that he had done. The actions of murder and plenty of sin. This idea struck me because it really makes sense to me that he would 'hide' from his sin by being in the darkness.
Part 1: I would characterize Oedipus as a good ruler. I feel like he stop everything just to help the people of Thebes whenever help is needed. For example when the plague struck Thebes he tried to help the people from dying. But I also feel like he is kind of selfish. I feel like sometimes he does not like to take the blame and I alos think that he has too much power and it kind of gets to his head a little bit.
Part 2: I think what Teiresias is referring to when he says blindness in vision and darkness is that Oedipus is blind in vision to not admit up to killing the king. And I think what he means by darkness is that if the people of Thebes were ever to find out that he killed the king, he would not be the "great ruler" anymore and would be left in the dark.
Oedipus seems to be helpful leader. He wants to help his people of Thebes to recover and wants stop the plague. Oedipus also believes in his city and they can be saved. So he sends messengers to Tersesias for his help. So Oedipus shows that he is a helpful leader and someone that looks for advice to succeed. These are two key points to be a successful leader.
Part Two: Darkness, Blindness and Vision. When Teiresias says to Oedipus that he has taunted him with being blind, I think he means that Oedipus knows what has gone on but has tricked or fooled everyone around him to think he does not know. Then he says you have your eyes but see not where you are..e.g. He names of a bunch of things and is pretty much calling Odeipus a liar. Saying that he can see but is not speaking of what he is seeing. What Teiresias means by filling Oedipus' eyes with darkness, is that he wants Oedipus to see Thebes destory because he didn't use his vision to help the city in the first place. I think Teiresias wants Oedipus to not be so determined on finding the killer of Lauis but on everything around him, including Thebes and its people.
Response to others: I agree with Michelle that Oedipus is trying to be sneaky about his actions. He does not seem like he will admit to fault easily. I also agree with sheeshal that Oedipus only showed the people of Thebes his good sides of himself. Oedipus made mistakes and was wrong sometimes. Like I said earlier, I think it is hard for Oedipus to admit fault.
I would characterize Oedipus as a good ruler but not able to accept the truth. I say that because when Teiresis told Oedipus that he was the killer of their original king Oedipus did not believe it even though that was the truth he just did not want to accept it.
Oedipus seems like a good leader. He is trying to help the people to recover and destroy the plague. When Oedipus calls to Teiresias for help I was not expecting the result that was shown. I think Oedipus argued well for the people of Thebes; Even when Teiresias was being mean and saying he wouldn't help, Oedipus stuck with the argument.
I believe that Oedipus is a good leader. He might be a little bit on the weird side, but hes good. He tried to be extremely helpful, and he wants the people to get better from being sick.He still believes that his city can be saved. And he sent messengers to Teiresias, to see how the plague could be stopped.
Part 2: When Teiresais says to Oedipus about blindness. I believe that he is referring to the fact that Oedipus is bind in the sence that he wont admit to killing the other king.
When Teiresis is talking about darkness to Oedipus when telling Oedipus that he is the killer i think he is talking about how that Oedipus hasn't been able to realize it all these years and hes been living in the darkness of the truth. He saying to Oedipus that Oedipus is blind not because he literally can't see with his vision but because Oedipus can't accept and realize whats in front of him. He's just not actually "seeing" the truth.
Post One; Oedipus is an okay leader. I think he seems really full of himself. It's nice that he wants to help Thebes and get rid of the plague, but doing that also helps himself. I don't know if I can trust him.
Post Two; Teiresias may be blind, but Oedipus is too because he doesn't see what he's done, even though Teiresias has told him. Teiresias sees the facts that Oedipus DID murderder his father.
Oedipus is a really strong leader or ruler because he stated the fact that he'd do anything in his power to stop the plague and have people stop being sick. I also have to agree with basketballer4814 when they said Oedipus was being sneaky because he was acting oblivious to everything that Terisias was saying. He was acting like he knew nothing about what Terisias was talking about.
Oedipus is an intelligent ruler but what is obvious he wont accept. I call him intelligent because he always thinks before he talks, usually talking about something that people care about. He is a good ruler and looks out for his people.
Oedipus will do anything to stop the plague, and get rid of the murderer of the king. But then again he won't listen to Teiresias, who is trying to tell him that he killed King Laius, who was really his father. So I think that Oedipus is a helpful king, but also not willing to listen to the truth.
Oedipus is a good leader. He wants to help everyone so they will be safe from the plague. A lot of people rely on him to help them. He wants not only the people to be away from danger but he also wants the town to stay protected. Oedipus is a good leader because he is willing to do anything that he needs to do and he never gives up.
Teiresias talks about being provoked for being blind, but he said that Oedipus is blind to everything he does. It's clear to him that he agrees that Oedipus is sneaky as well. I think that it's obvious for Teiresias that he is being sneaky.
I personally think that Oedipus sounds like an awesome ruler, not only is he smart, he sounds like he could be a great warrior too. Even though he killed his own dad, he still sounds pretty cool. I wouldn't mind having a leader like him. And about Teiresius, by darkness, I think he means that Oedipus can't see whats clearly in front of him, like it would be like in the dark. I think seeing to him is being able to see the big picture, to understand whats going on.
I think Oedipus as a ruler is a good ruler because he is sneaky but also will stop at nothing to cure his people from the plague. Oedipus will not stop until he figures out who killed King Laius and make sure they are punished to cure the plague from the people. That shows that Oedipus cares about his people and wants them to be free from the plague.
I agree with Aron's post one. There is a lot of mixed feelings about Oedipus. Some things that he says makes you want to trust him, but other things he says makes you wonder what time of guy he really is. Everything Teresius said about Oedipus leads me to believe that he is the murderer, but Oedipus gets angry and acts like it is a lie. That is what makes me confused.
I believe Terisius was meaning that he is looking past whatever he says and will not listen to him. But when he says he has straight vision it means that he acted differently until the throne was open and he acted clever and smart so he would get the throne.
I thnk that Oedipus is a great King. I mean became the king of this pleace that he never had been to, and when teiresias said that they need to find the men that killed their king to get the plague to go away.
Teireesias is talking about blindness when he says that Oedipus is blind to everything he does. He is talking about darkness when he is saying Oedipus killed the king.
I agree with what Sadie said about him seeming perfectly innocent and the perfect leader. No great leader is pure from corruption of any sort. All leaders have some form of corruption and Oedipus is not any different
I believe that Oedipis is a good leader because he is really really trying to discover the murderer of King Liaus. Camden has a good point. No leader is pure from corruption and Oedipus is no acception.
I think that even though Oedipus is a good ruler through his actions he is still an ignorant and an overly prideful person. He wants to figure out who killed King Laius and when he accuses someone it is a big deal but when somebody accuses him he ignored is. That is what I think Teiresius meant by darkness. I also think that Oedipus believes that he is fooling everyone even though everyone knows something is up with him.
I think that blindness is referring to the fact that Oedipus is not seeing what is clearly in front of him. He is not seeing what Teiresias is trying to tell him The darkness means that he killed the leader and he has been living in lies for a long time, like what leesherz4814 said. I think that when they use vision they are saying that he finally realizes what is going on and he is no longer blinded.
Part One continued - I agree completely with Sadie when she said he will stop at nothing to help his people. He made a promise to help his people and I believe he will follow through with his promise. I also agree with basketballer that Oedipus can be kind of sneaky, he kind of ignored Teiresias' accusations and what he was saying. It's kind of suspicious in a way.
Part Two For the second blog post, discuss the references to darkness, blindness and vision, in Teiresias' speech in lines 460-486. I think when Teiresias talks about darkness and blindness he's saying Oedipus isn't seeing the obvious. That not that he can't see but that he doesn't see who the obvious killer is or who he thinks the killer is. That people might start to think HE is the killer because of the spot he is in now. He also doesn't know who his parents are or the people he actually lives with. Does he really know the people around him? or are there secrets? And eventually when he has "straight vision" he can finally see what's going on but by then it'll be too late. -Katie Manzo
Part 1: I think that Oedipus is hiding something important. I think Oedipus only shows the leader side or the good side to all of his people of Thebes, but really he isn't as great as everyone thinks, he has made mistakes
think that blindness mean that Oedipus doesn't want to see the truth in some of the things he may have done in his past. I think he means the Oedipus doesn't want to see that what Tiresias said was true. I believe that what Tiresias means by vision is what he sees for the future. He is a blind man but he can see what is to come. And he is telling Oedipus his vision Oedipus is a great leader because of the way he would never stop at anything for his people. He loves Thebes and the people in it, but I think at the same time he is kind of sneaky.
Part Two Continued I agree with Kaitlyn when she says he's not seeing what is in front of him. He isn't seeing what is in front of him and he isn't comprehending what Teiresias is trying to get at. And like she said again he'll finally see straight when he realizes what is truly going on and only then will he see "straight". I also agree with Sadie when she said "I think Teiresias is saying that now Oedipus may seem perfectly innocent and the perfect leader, but if the people of Thebes found out he was the murderer he would be shunned and his once innocent (straight) eyes would become black with betrayal. The people of Thebes would no longer trust him." Because if the people did think or find out that he killed his "father" then it would cause a chaotic uproar that would certainly bring him down and wouldn't be good for him. If they suspect him then he could be in grave danger and eventually could drive him out completely or kill him. -Katie Manzo
I agree with summer time when she says that that she thinks darkness means Oedipus is hiding something. I agree with basketballer4814 when she says that Oedipus is sneaky. But He is very reliable, the people of Thebes always know that Oedipus will be there if they need him!
Post 2: I agree with what sadie said about Oedipus stopping at nothing to save thebes. But after this little scenario with Teirestitis i think Oedipus might lose hope. "I would be like screw the world i didnt kill Lauis, i dont care about Thebes". But maybe he hasnt yet gave up.
I think that seeing in this instance is looking beyond what you see. Having to do with what you feel, and what you think. Teiresias is trying to get Oedipus to see past the obvious and really think about what he is saying and think about the circumstances.
I think Oedipus is a good ruler. He cares about his people and wants to stop the plague that has terrorized them for so long, no matter what he has to do to stop it. This would mean capturing the murderer. Something, however, that makes a good ruler, is being able to accept your own faults. Oedipus does this poorly and blames other, specifically Teiresias and Creon for plotting against him. He cannot accept that he is the murderer. In this way, he is hard headed and stubborn. He can't fathom or see any evidence suggesting that accusation so I can sort of understand his point of view, however he should have used the same wit and intelligence he demonstrated when defeating the Sphinx, and not have blamed others.
Teiresias may be physically blind, but in a way, so is Oedipus. Oedipus can't accept truths and cannot see the the truth. To Teiresias, his whole world is darkness. Oedipus' world is also like this as well, in the sense that his judgement is clouded and he world has been darkened by the plague and troubles of Thebes. Teiresias has said that even though he is blind, Oedipus is as well. Vision is double sided. You can actually see things and then you can understand things. With this example, Oedipus' vision means actually seeing. And Teiresias' vision means understanding.
Post 1: I think Oedipus is a good leader because he will stop at nothing to find the murderer to lift the plague from Thebes even if it destroys himself in the process. He is a good man but narrow-minded and will not change his views easily. He thinks highly of himself but that might be because he saved his city. He also invokes torment on himself for things he can’t change.
Post 2: I think this reference to “kindness” is because Oedipus won’t accept the fact that he might have killed his father and married his mother. The reference to “darkness” might be Oedipus’s ignorance to the possible betrayal of his city to his father and to his mother and wife. And the last word that was used was to “see” and I feel that is mean that Oedipus is starting to think of the possibility that he might have married his mother and killed his father.
I agree with what everything Franco said. Oedipus has not lost all hope for Thebes. He is blinded by fear of know the truth and shadowed with darkness from his betrayal. He begins to see what he has done and starts to except that he killed his father and married his mother.
Post Two: I really am confused by this reading, no joke i have no clue what to think of all the things going on with Oedipus. He seems unsure about the face that he killed his father and then married his mother. Other then that like i said i'm lost. I have some questions for anybody that wants to give me some help. 1. What do they mean by "Sister, Oedipus, your husband, thinks he has the right to do terrible wrongs-he has but to choose between two terrors: banishing or killing me." 2. Is there a theme? If so what is it?
I agree with Logan that this story is confusing, much more confusing then the Odyssey. Even though you said a story board would be disturbing I still think it is a good idea if one class you could do a story on the board. It made it much more clear to me and other people hopefully. Also like the Logan said, it would be great to know of a theme, if there is one.
To Logan: 1. Creon is telling Jocasta that Oedipus has threatened to either kill him or banish him and he feels justified in doing those things. 2. The theme is that no matter how hard you try to escape your fate, you can't.
Hasn't that been proven? Oedipus his home so that he would not hurt his parents and his escape was his doom.
He is oblivious; he isn't sneaky. He really doesn't know what he has done and his country is falling apart around him. He is desperate to appease the gods and set things right. It would be intolerable for him to think that he caused the problems that his country is suffering from.
When I read the straight vision, it seemed like it almost meant that Oedipus was only looking at whats in front of him. He only wanted to supposedly find the murderer of Lius, but he didn't understand what this could possibly lead to.
That is exactly what "straight vision" means in this context. Good job. :)
Oedipus has not tricked anyone; he is ignorant. He is not sneaky, but single-minded in his pursuit of answers. Teiresius doesn't want Thebes to fall; he just doesn't want to be the bearer of bad news to Oedipus even though Oedipus is completely obnoxious to him.
Part 1- I agree with what Summer Time has said that when Teresias confronted him and told Oedipus he blamed him for Luis' death. Oedipus wanted to fight back but he knew Teresias was making a good point. Although Oedipus couldn't promise to stop Teresias, he did make a promise that he would find the murderer of Luis and wouldn't give up even if the worst was to happen to him. By saying that to the people of Thebes you could say that Oedipus was also strong and courageous.
Part 2- I think that when Teresias was explaining about darkness and blindness he was really trying to say that Oedipus isn't seeing the obvious, he's not seeing what's really going on right infront of him. Oedipus isn't seeing that him being king had got peoples minds thinking that he killed Lius because he wanted to be king, but until Oedipus is finally able to see the truth within himself then can he see the truth surrounding him but when that happens it might be a little too late.
Post 1- I think that Oedipus is a good ruler and he cares about the people of Thebes, but he takes everything to the extreme. He gave a big speech about how he would do anything to find the murderer of Laius and he seemed very passionate about it. But then when Teiresias told him it was himself who committed the murder, he got very angry right of the bat. I would characterize Oedipus as being very extreme and passionate, but not always in a good way.
Post 2- I think that when Teiresias says that Oedipus has darkness on his eyes and that he has such straight vision that he means that Oedipus cant see past his own opinion on what happened. And he wont even listen to what Teiresias has to say to hear that he is really the true one. I think Oedipus is blind where he is not willing to accept the truth of what happened.
Oedipus is a reliable ruler, but very sneaky. He wants to help his people with the plague and end the madness, but he just doesn't know how. He is sneaky because Teiresius is blaming him for the murder but Oedipus is acting completely oblivious to it all.
ReplyDeleteWhen Teiresias says darkness on your eyes I think he means that Oedipus is looking past things. But in the next line Tersesias says Oedipus as straight vision which I think means that Oedipus acted as another person until the king was killed and then he acted so smart after the throne was open.
ReplyDeleteOedipus is a reliable ruler but also very sneaky. He is reliable because he will do anything to stop this plague. But I think he is sneaky because he was acting oblivious to everything that Terisias was saying.
ReplyDeletePost 1: Oedipus is a good leader so far. He is willing to help Thebes, which is in a deadly plague. He does what he can to try and save said city. He sent out messengers to find Teiresias. He doesnt think Thebes is hopeless yet.
ReplyDeletePost 2: I think Oedipus is blind in a sense where he is not willing to accept the fact that he killed Laius. It was his prophecy to do so, and the "darkness" is the cloud of a erie sense of betrayel. If he actually did come to his sense and accept the fact that he might of murdered his father, he would probably be able to "see" as in realize that the prophecy may be true.
ReplyDeleteTeiresias was smart in the way that he accused Oedipus. He knew what Oedipus did, and knew that he was right. I think darkness meant that Oedipus was hiding many things and problems from his people and not sharing much with them. I thought blindness meant that Oedipus wasn't looking towards the future. If he did, he would probably realize that the people of Thebes would no longer accept him. When I read the straight vision, it seemed like it almost meant that Oedipus was only looking at whats in front of him. He only wanted to supposedly find the murderer of Lius, but he didn't understand what this could possibly lead to.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Sadie and Basketballer. Oedipus was sneaky, but when Tieresias blamed him as he did, you could tell that Oedipus was not ready for it. Although he didn't want to back down, it seemed as though Tieresias had a point, especially since he was so sure of himself. I guess, since Oedipus was sticking to his word and trying to find the murderer of Lius, then you could call him dependable, or reliable as basketballer said it.
ReplyDeleteI feel Oedipus is a good leader. I agree completely with Sadie when she said he will stop at nothing to help his people. That is a very good thing for a leader to have but he also is helping them because he doesn't want to be killed. In a way it could be selfish and selfless. I believe his is reliable though and that he will follow through on his promise of finding the killer. I think that Tieresias could be pinning the murder on him and that it could have been him because it was his "father" and he could have murdered him for his power like Tiersias said: "You have your eyes but see not where you are in sin, nor where you live, nor whom you live with. Do you know who your parents are? Unknowing you are an enemy to kith and kin in death, beneath the earth, and in this life. A deadly footed, double striking curse, from father and mother both, shall drive you forth out of this land, with darkness on you eys, that now have such straight vision. Shall there be a place will not be harbor to your cries, a corner of Cithaeron will not ring in echo to your cries, soon soon -- when youb shall learn the secret of your marriage .... Misery shall grind no man as it will you." So even if he is reliable he still has secrets according to the prophet and whether the people believe that is up to them but I don't think that everything about the king is innocent and trustworthy.
ReplyDelete-Katie Manzo
I agree with Katie and everyone else. They made some good points about how Oedipus was a good leader and why. Like Sadie said "He will stop at nothing to help his people, the people of Thebes. He knows that without his help, they'll all die from the plague." The one part that really stood out was that he cared, it seemed like everyone really said that. I believe that he cared by what he said he was going to do for the towns people. He promised many things that might not happen but he will work towards that. I think that if i was a leader then i could not be like Oedipus, because i would be afraid that i would promise the people something and let them down, so for Oedipus to promise what he promise took a lot of courage.
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I agree with Katie and everyone else. Oedipus I feel is a good leader, he will stop at nothing to get what is needed for his people well being but on the other hand he is sneaky and will stop at nothing to hide his flaws and his secrets. Without a leader like Oedipus I feel that his people would have parish long before. He promised many thing to his people few that I think we will manage to get done but the idea will raise his people’s sprits some I think.
ReplyDeleteTeiresias says "A deadly footed, double striking curse, from father and mother both, shall drive you forth out of this land, with darkness in your eyes, that now have straight vision." This I feel that Oedipus seems like a great leader and the last person they would look at for such a horrible crime. But I also feel that is says he is imbibed with a false look of the perfect leader is a man who is shady and with stop at nothing for his own twisted needs of power and trust from his people that he greatly betrayed.
I agree with what Katie said that Oedipus was a good leader and that he is reliable and that he will follow through on his promise of finding the killer. I think Oedipus was shocked when Tieresias told him he was the fault of the plague among his people. I think he didn't want to believe it because it meant to him that he let his people down. He was a dedicated leader and wanted the best for his people.
ReplyDeleteI like what basketballer said in her comment, "When Teiresias says darkness on your eyes I think he means that Oedipus is looking past things. But in the next line Tersesias says Oedipus as straight vision which I think means that Oedipus acted as another person until the king was killed and then he acted so smart after the throne was open." I really think she is right when Oedipus is looking past things. I think he is to. He isn't looking at the basic picture. He is making things more difficult for him instead of just looking at the moment.
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ReplyDeleteOedipus was born a prince and raised to be a king. He wants to keep his throne to save himself even if he is a bad ruler. He possesses overwhelming pride. Most every action he takes is for himself. He very often blames others to protect himself. Oedipus was a very strong king until the city of Thebes was stricken by a god sent plague. I disagree with Sadie when she says "he will stop at nothing to help his people" because he was actually quite selfish.
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I thought what Sadie said was very good. It was clear and exactly what I was thinking. Oedipus is a sneaky person who doesn't want to admit his actions. "Oedipus may seem perfectly innocent and the perfect leader, but if the people of Thebes found out he was the murderer he would be shunned and his once innocent (straight) eyes would become black with betrayal." I thought this was the perfect description of why Oedipus didn't want the people of Thebes to find out that he was the murderer.
ReplyDeleteTeiresias talks about being taunted for being so called blind, but then he brings up the fact that Oedipus is blind to everything he does. He is pretty much saying that Oedipus was being sneaky.
ReplyDeletePost 1: I would characterize Oedipus as a leader as someone that I want to trust but don't. When he says all the bad things he will do to the murder I feel like, "Wow he really stands up for his city and takes charge." But, I wouldn't trust him because he seems to be very reluctant to accept things. When he talks to Teiresias he gets very wound up about something that he has been pressing for.
ReplyDeletePost 2: The references to darkness and blindness in Teiresias' speech are when he talks to Oedipus about his blindness of his sin. He doesn't see what his problems are. Teiresias targeted Oedipus' ability to 'see' but that he really couldn't see what was happening.
I agree with basketballer4814 that Oedipus is kind of sneaky. At first when Teireseus says that the murderer is Oedipus he pretends he doesn't know what Teireseus is talking about. I kind of agree with Michelle that Oedipus could be selfish, but I don't think he actually is. He may seem nice sometimes and sometimes he seems selfish, right now it's hard to tell.
ReplyDeleteOedipus is a great leader. He will stop at nothing to help his people, the people of Thebes. He knows that without his help, they'll all die from the plague. Oedipus knows that to end the plague he needs to find Laius' killer and he'll stop at nothing to find them. When Teiresias tells Oedipus that Oedipus is the killer, he does not stop arguing until Teiresias finally says its not Oedipus. He doesn't give up.
ReplyDeleteTeiresias says "A deadly footed, double striking curse, from father and mother both, shall drive you forth out of this land, with darkness in your eyes, that now have straight vision." I think Teiresias is saying that now Oedipus may seem perfectly innocent and the perfect leader, but if the people of Thebes found out he was the murderer he would be shunned and his once innocent (straight) eyes would become black with betrayal. The people of Thebes would no longer trust him.
I agree with what Tasha said about Oedipus being in hiding. He was hiding in the dark from the actions that he had done. The actions of murder and plenty of sin. This idea struck me because it really makes sense to me that he would 'hide' from his sin by being in the darkness.
ReplyDeletePart 1: I would characterize Oedipus as a good ruler. I feel like he stop everything just to help the people of Thebes whenever help is needed. For example when the plague struck Thebes he tried to help the people from dying. But I also feel like he is kind of selfish. I feel like sometimes he does not like to take the blame and I alos think that he has too much power and it kind of gets to his head a little bit.
ReplyDeletePart 2: I think what Teiresias is referring to when he says blindness in vision and darkness is that Oedipus is blind in vision to not admit up to killing the king. And I think what he means by darkness is that if the people of Thebes were ever to find out that he killed the king, he would not be the "great ruler" anymore and would be left in the dark.
--Lindsay Whitney
Oedipus seems to be helpful leader. He wants to help his people of Thebes to recover and wants stop the plague. Oedipus also believes in his city and they can be saved. So he sends messengers to Tersesias for his help. So Oedipus shows that he is a helpful leader and someone that looks for advice to succeed. These are two key points to be a successful leader.
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When Teiresias says to Oedipus that he has taunted him with being blind, I think he means that Oedipus knows what has gone on but has tricked or fooled everyone around him to think he does not know. Then he says you have your eyes but see not where you are..e.g. He names of a bunch of things and is pretty much calling Odeipus a liar. Saying that he can see but is not speaking of what he is seeing. What Teiresias means by filling Oedipus' eyes with darkness, is that he wants Oedipus to see Thebes destory because he didn't use his vision to help the city in the first place. I think Teiresias wants Oedipus to not be so determined on finding the killer of Lauis but on everything around him, including Thebes and its people.
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I agree with Michelle that Oedipus is trying to be sneaky about his actions. He does not seem like he will admit to fault easily. I also agree with sheeshal that Oedipus only showed the people of Thebes his good sides of himself. Oedipus made mistakes and was wrong sometimes. Like I said earlier, I think it is hard for Oedipus to admit fault.
oedipus is a good leder because he is doing everything he can to end the plague by sending creon to the oracle.
ReplyDeleteI would characterize Oedipus as a good ruler but not able to accept the truth. I say that because when Teiresis told Oedipus that he was the killer of their original king Oedipus did not believe it even though that was the truth he just did not want to accept it.
ReplyDeletein another way he isn't very smart because he acts completely oblivious to teiresis when he tells him that hes the killer
ReplyDeletehes a good leader because he is doing everything he can to stop the plague.
ReplyDeleteOedipus seems like a good leader. He is trying to help the people to recover and destroy the plague. When Oedipus calls to Teiresias for help I was not expecting the result that was shown. I think Oedipus argued well for the people of Thebes; Even when Teiresias was being mean and saying he wouldn't help, Oedipus stuck with the argument.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Oedipus is a good leader. He might be a little bit on the weird side, but hes good. He tried to be extremely helpful, and he wants the people to get better from being sick.He still believes that his city can be saved. And he sent messengers to Teiresias, to see how the plague could be stopped.
ReplyDeletePart 2: When Teiresais says to Oedipus about blindness. I believe that he is referring to the fact that Oedipus is bind in the sence that he wont admit to killing the other king.
When Teiresis is talking about darkness to Oedipus when telling Oedipus that he is the killer i think he is talking about how that Oedipus hasn't been able to realize it all these years and hes been living in the darkness of the truth. He saying to Oedipus that Oedipus is blind not because he literally can't see with his vision but because Oedipus can't accept and realize whats in front of him. He's just not actually "seeing" the truth.
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ReplyDeleteOedipus is an okay leader. I think he seems really full of himself. It's nice that he wants to help Thebes and get rid of the plague, but doing that also helps himself. I don't know if I can trust him.
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Teiresias may be blind, but Oedipus is too because he doesn't see what he's done, even though Teiresias has told him. Teiresias sees the facts that Oedipus DID murderder his father.
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ReplyDeleteOedipus is a really strong leader or ruler because he stated the fact that he'd do anything in his power to stop the plague and have people stop being sick. I also have to agree with basketballer4814 when they said Oedipus was being sneaky because he was acting oblivious to everything that Terisias was saying. He was acting like he knew nothing about what Terisias was talking about.
ReplyDeleteOedipus is an intelligent ruler but what is obvious he wont accept. I call him intelligent because he always thinks before he talks, usually talking about something that people care about. He is a good ruler and looks out for his people.
ReplyDeleteOedipus will do anything to stop the plague, and get rid of the murderer of the king. But then again he won't listen to Teiresias, who is trying to tell him that he killed King Laius, who was really his father. So I think that Oedipus is a helpful king, but also not willing to listen to the truth.
ReplyDeleteOedipus is a good leader. He wants to help everyone so they will be safe from the plague. A lot of people rely on him to help them. He wants not only the people to be away from danger but he also wants the town to stay protected. Oedipus is a good leader because he is willing to do anything that he needs to do and he never gives up.
ReplyDeleteTeiresias talks about being provoked for being blind, but he said that Oedipus is blind to everything he does. It's clear to him that he agrees that Oedipus is sneaky as well. I think that it's obvious for Teiresias that he is being sneaky.
ReplyDeleteI personally think that Oedipus sounds like an awesome ruler, not only is he smart, he sounds like he could be a great warrior too. Even though he killed his own dad, he still sounds pretty cool. I wouldn't mind having a leader like him. And about Teiresius, by darkness, I think he means that Oedipus can't see whats clearly in front of him, like it would be like in the dark. I think seeing to him is being able to see the big picture, to understand whats going on.
ReplyDeleteI think Oedipus as a ruler is a good ruler because he is sneaky but also will stop at nothing to cure his people from the plague. Oedipus will not stop until he figures out who killed King Laius and make sure they are punished to cure the plague from the people. That shows that Oedipus cares about his people and wants them to be free from the plague.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Aron's post one. There is a lot of mixed feelings about Oedipus. Some things that he says makes you want to trust him, but other things he says makes you wonder what time of guy he really is. Everything Teresius said about Oedipus leads me to believe that he is the murderer, but Oedipus gets angry and acts like it is a lie. That is what makes me confused.
ReplyDeleteI believe Terisius was meaning that he is looking past whatever he says and will not listen to him. But when he says he has straight vision it means that he acted differently until the throne was open and he acted clever and smart so he would get the throne.
ReplyDeleteI thnk that Oedipus is a great King. I mean became the king of this pleace that he never had been to, and when teiresias said that they need to find the men that killed their king to get the plague to go away.
ReplyDeleteI think that Teiresias is telling Oedipus who is the killer of the passed King but wants Oedipus to understand by him self so that he will belive it.
ReplyDeleteTeireesias is talking about blindness when he says that Oedipus is blind to everything he does. He is talking about darkness when he is saying Oedipus killed the king.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what Sadie said about him seeming perfectly innocent and the perfect leader. No great leader is pure from corruption of any sort. All leaders have some form of corruption and Oedipus is not any different
ReplyDeleteI believe that Oedipis is a good leader because he is really really trying to discover the murderer of King Liaus. Camden has a good point. No leader is pure from corruption and Oedipus is no acception.
ReplyDeleteI think that even though Oedipus is a good ruler through his actions he is still an ignorant and an overly prideful person. He wants to figure out who killed King Laius and when he accuses someone it is a big deal but when somebody accuses him he ignored is. That is what I think Teiresius meant by darkness. I also think that Oedipus believes that he is fooling everyone even though everyone knows something is up with him.
ReplyDeleteI think that blindness is referring to the fact that Oedipus is not seeing what is clearly in front of him. He is not seeing what Teiresias is trying to tell him The darkness means that he killed the leader and he has been living in lies for a long time, like what leesherz4814 said. I think that when they use vision they are saying that he finally realizes what is going on and he is no longer blinded.
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ReplyDeleteI agree completely with Sadie when she said he will stop at nothing to help his people. He made a promise to help his people and I believe he will follow through with his promise.
I also agree with basketballer that Oedipus can be kind of sneaky, he kind of ignored Teiresias' accusations and what he was saying. It's kind of suspicious in a way.
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For the second blog post, discuss the references to darkness, blindness and vision, in Teiresias' speech in lines 460-486.
I think when Teiresias talks about darkness and blindness he's saying Oedipus isn't seeing the obvious. That not that he can't see but that he doesn't see who the obvious killer is or who he thinks the killer is. That people might start to think HE is the killer because of the spot he is in now. He also doesn't know who his parents are or the people he actually lives with. Does he really know the people around him? or are there secrets? And eventually when he has "straight vision" he can finally see what's going on but by then it'll be too late.
-Katie Manzo
Part 1: I think that Oedipus is hiding something important. I think Oedipus only shows the leader side or the good side to all of his people of Thebes, but really he isn't as great as everyone thinks, he has made mistakes
ReplyDeletethink that blindness mean that Oedipus doesn't want to see the truth in some of the things he may have done in his past. I think he means the Oedipus doesn't want to see that what Tiresias said was true. I believe that what Tiresias means by vision is what he sees for the future. He is a blind man but he can see what is to come. And he is telling Oedipus his vision Oedipus is a great leader because of the way he would never stop at anything for his people. He loves Thebes and the people in it, but I think at the same time he is kind of sneaky.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with Kaitlyn when she says he's not seeing what is in front of him. He isn't seeing what is in front of him and he isn't comprehending what Teiresias is trying to get at. And like she said again he'll finally see straight when he realizes what is truly going on and only then will he see "straight".
I also agree with Sadie when she said "I think Teiresias is saying that now Oedipus may seem perfectly innocent and the perfect leader, but if the people of Thebes found out he was the murderer he would be shunned and his once innocent (straight) eyes would become black with betrayal. The people of Thebes would no longer trust him." Because if the people did think or find out that he killed his "father" then it would cause a chaotic uproar that would certainly bring him down and wouldn't be good for him. If they suspect him then he could be in grave danger and eventually could drive him out completely or kill him.
-Katie Manzo
I agree with summer time when she says that that she thinks darkness means Oedipus is hiding something.
ReplyDeleteI agree with basketballer4814 when she says that Oedipus is sneaky. But He is very reliable, the people of Thebes always know that Oedipus will be there if they need him!
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ReplyDeleteI agree with what sadie said about Oedipus stopping at nothing to save thebes. But after this little scenario with Teirestitis i think Oedipus might lose hope. "I would be like screw the world i didnt kill Lauis, i dont care about Thebes". But maybe he hasnt yet gave up.
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ReplyDeleteI think that seeing in this instance is looking beyond what you see. Having to do with what you feel, and what you think. Teiresias is trying to get Oedipus to see past the obvious and really think about what he is saying and think about the circumstances.
hes telling oedipus that he blind to the truth and that its right in front of him about the prophecy.
ReplyDeleteI think Oedipus is a good ruler. He cares about his people and wants to stop the plague that has terrorized them for so long, no matter what he has to do to stop it. This would mean capturing the murderer. Something, however, that makes a good ruler, is being able to accept your own faults. Oedipus does this poorly and blames other, specifically Teiresias and Creon for plotting against him. He cannot accept that he is the murderer. In this way, he is hard headed and stubborn. He can't fathom or see any evidence suggesting that accusation so I can sort of understand his point of view, however he should have used the same wit and intelligence he demonstrated when defeating the Sphinx, and not have blamed others.
ReplyDeleteTeiresias may be physically blind, but in a way, so is Oedipus. Oedipus can't accept truths and cannot see the the truth. To Teiresias, his whole world is darkness. Oedipus' world is also like this as well, in the sense that his judgement is clouded and he world has been darkened by the plague and troubles of Thebes. Teiresias has said that even though he is blind, Oedipus is as well. Vision is double sided. You can actually see things and then you can understand things. With this example, Oedipus' vision means actually seeing. And Teiresias' vision means understanding.
ReplyDeletePost 1: I think Oedipus is a good leader because he will stop at nothing to find the murderer to lift the plague from Thebes even if it destroys himself in the process. He is a good man but narrow-minded and will not change his views easily. He thinks highly of himself but that might be because he saved his city. He also invokes torment on himself for things he can’t change.
ReplyDeletePost 2: I think this reference to “kindness” is because Oedipus won’t accept the fact that he might have killed his father and married his mother. The reference to “darkness” might be Oedipus’s ignorance to the possible betrayal of his city to his father and to his mother and wife. And the last word that was used was to “see” and I feel that is mean that Oedipus is starting to think of the possibility that he might have married his mother and killed his father.
I agree with what everything Franco said.
ReplyDeleteOedipus has not lost all hope for Thebes. He is blinded by fear of know the truth and shadowed with darkness from his betrayal. He begins to see what he has done and starts to except that he killed his father and married his mother.
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ReplyDeleteI really am confused by this reading, no joke i have no clue what to think of all the things going on with Oedipus. He seems unsure about the face that he killed his father and then married his mother. Other then that like i said i'm lost. I have some questions for anybody that wants to give me some help.
1. What do they mean by "Sister, Oedipus, your husband, thinks he has the right to do terrible wrongs-he has but to choose between two terrors: banishing or killing me."
2. Is there a theme? If so what is it?
I agree with Logan that this story is confusing, much more confusing then the Odyssey. Even though you said a story board would be disturbing I still think it is a good idea if one class you could do a story on the board. It made it much more clear to me and other people hopefully. Also like the Logan said, it would be great to know of a theme, if there is one.
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ReplyDelete1. Creon is telling Jocasta that Oedipus has threatened to either kill him or banish him and he feels justified in doing those things.
2. The theme is that no matter how hard you try to escape your fate, you can't.
Hasn't that been proven? Oedipus his home so that he would not hurt his parents and his escape was his doom.
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ReplyDeleteHe is oblivious; he isn't sneaky. He really doesn't know what he has done and his country is falling apart around him. He is desperate to appease the gods and set things right. It would be intolerable for him to think that he caused the problems that his country is suffering from.
When I read the straight vision, it seemed like it almost meant that Oedipus was only looking at whats in front of him. He only wanted to supposedly find the murderer of Lius, but he didn't understand what this could possibly lead to.
ReplyDeleteThat is exactly what "straight vision" means in this context. Good job. :)
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ReplyDeleteOedipus has not tricked anyone; he is ignorant. He is not sneaky, but single-minded in his pursuit of answers. Teiresius doesn't want Thebes to fall; he just doesn't want to be the bearer of bad news to Oedipus even though Oedipus is completely obnoxious to him.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with what Summer Time has said that when Teresias confronted him and told Oedipus he blamed him for Luis' death. Oedipus wanted to fight back but he knew Teresias was making a good point. Although Oedipus couldn't promise to stop Teresias, he did make a promise that he would find the murderer of Luis and wouldn't give up even if the worst was to happen to him. By saying that to the people of Thebes you could say that Oedipus was also strong and courageous.
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I think that when Teresias was explaining about darkness and blindness he was really trying to say that Oedipus isn't seeing the obvious, he's not seeing what's really going on right infront of him. Oedipus isn't seeing that him being king had got peoples minds thinking that he killed Lius because he wanted to be king, but until Oedipus is finally able to see the truth within himself then can he see the truth surrounding him but when that happens it might be a little too late.
-Taylor Guillerault
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ReplyDeleteI think that Oedipus is a good ruler and he cares about the people of Thebes, but he takes everything to the extreme. He gave a big speech about how he would do anything to find the murderer of Laius and he seemed very passionate about it. But then when Teiresias told him it was himself who committed the murder, he got very angry right of the bat. I would characterize Oedipus as being very extreme and passionate, but not always in a good way.
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I think that when Teiresias says that Oedipus has darkness on his eyes and that he has such straight vision that he means that Oedipus cant see past his own opinion on what happened. And he wont even listen to what Teiresias has to say to hear that he is really the true one. I think Oedipus is blind where he is not willing to accept the truth of what happened.
-Lindsay Mower