A question I have is on the last page what does it mean when the chorus says in the first antistrophe "Insolence breeds the tyrant, insolance if it is glutted with surfet, unseasonable, unprofitable...". I dont understand what they mean. It doesn't make any sense. Another question is Jocasta is Oedipus's wife, but was she also Laius's?
What did Oedipus mean when he said "I have a deadly fear that the old seer had eyes." I don't quite understand that part. I pretty much get the rest of this section (especially since you explained it in class)
Like Sadie, I didn't get the "deadly fear that the seer had eyes" either but I'm guessin that he's talking about Teiresias seeing that he was th killer?? I get most of it execept the very last page all the strophes. They quite confuse me and I have a few questions. So Liaus and Jocasta were to have a son that would take them down and so when they did have the son they threw him out to die? and that baby was Oedipus? Is the next section about the servant coming and telling eveyone what happened? His parents (foster) were Polybus and Merope? Did they find him on the streets or something and adopt him? Did Oedipus KNOW he had foster parents? I also don't understand line 916-917 Sorry there's so much :/ -Katie Manzo
I am also with Katie and Sadie. That line doesn't make much sense to me. Also, did they ever find Lauis body? I wasn't sure if they had because Creon said they never found anything but then how did they know for sure Lauis was dead. And if they did find his body you would think they could figure out Oedipus killed him.
My question is that at the end of the reading it kinda of cut of with Oedipus starting to believe that he was actually the killer but then Jocasta was like comforting him saying it was not proven. So was Oedipus really the killer of king Lauis, who is also his father?
I was wondering the same thing as basketballer4814. Did they ever find King Laius' body? And if they did, you would think they'd know who killed him. If they never found his body, they should have done some investigation or at least looked for it to see who could have killed him.
I had trouble with lines 655-670 because I was over thinking it. I know now that I have to read it once. Then read it again. Annotate, and THEN think about it.
I thought it was weird that Oedipus had no idea that he actually murdered King Laius. I really want to know what will happen when the people of Thebes find out that he murdered their past king, even though he had no idea who it was. Oedipus didn't even know that it was his own father! This is crazy.. Alisha had a good point though.. The murder wasn't proven, but it still seems like the odds are against Oedipus, meaning that he most likely is the murderer that people have been looking for the whole time.
I am wondering the same thing as everyone else. I don't understand lines 958 through 999. It was confusing but all the other parts of scene 2 made sense to me. Also I am wondering if there is more to the story or does it just end there. Because it just started to get interesting to me.
I had trouble with 960 through 975, i wasnt sure what they meant by all the metaphores, like "climbs to the rooftop snf plunges sheer down to ruin that must be" Its weird because every other part of the story made at least a grain of sense and this one means none to me. Its obviously a metaphor but one that i cant seem to identify without trying to find a literal refrence.
I found the reading not all that confusing. At some parts I didn't know what was happening so I just read it over. I did not get one part though. When Oedipus and Creon were talking or really I should say arguing, I guess I just don't understand why Oedipus submitted so easily to what the chorus had to say. It didn't make sense knowing oedipus' character for him to just give up on the argument like that. To Francois I think the metaphor used there is Oedipus had just reached the top but because of the "accidental" murder of king lauis he is going to be outcastes and will hit rock bottom. Hopefully that made some sense.
Also like everyone else, I am wondering the same thing. Did they ever find out who killed King Laius' body? If so, did they ever figure out who murdered him? The whole play is pretty much based on Oedipus and the murder of King Laius but it seems like they never had a solution to the murder.
I did not understand who Oedipus thought his father was. It spoke of so many men in the passages that I am confused. I know that his real father was king Laius but who did Oedipus think was his father? Aron I Believe that Oedipus gave up without a fight when the chorus stepped in because they are his citizens. All great rules don’t want to make accusations in front of his people.
I was also wondering the same thing as Ashley and basketballer4814, did they ever find King Laius' body? And if they did find his body wouldn't they be able to tell that Oedipus was the one who killed him? I don't know? It just confused me I guess.
Oedipus was raised by Polybus (adopted father) and Merope (adopted mother.) He had no reason to believe that he was adopted because they never told him.
A question I have is on the last page what does it mean when the chorus says in the first antistrophe "Insolence breeds the tyrant, insolance if it is glutted with surfet, unseasonable, unprofitable...". I dont understand what they mean. It doesn't make any sense. Another question is Jocasta is Oedipus's wife, but was she also Laius's?
ReplyDeleteOedipus' insolence, his failure to believe what Teiresius and Creon tell him, and his arrogance about his importance makes him like a tyrant.
ReplyDeleteJocasta was Laius' wife. She married Oedipus when he saved the kingdom by solving the Sphinxes riddle.
What did Oedipus mean when he said "I have a deadly fear that the old seer had eyes." I don't quite understand that part. I pretty much get the rest of this section (especially since you explained it in class)
ReplyDeleteLike Sadie, I didn't get the "deadly fear that the seer had eyes" either but I'm guessin that he's talking about Teiresias seeing that he was th killer?? I get most of it execept the very last page all the strophes. They quite confuse me and I have a few questions.
ReplyDeleteSo Liaus and Jocasta were to have a son that would take them down and so when they did have the son they threw him out to die? and that baby was Oedipus?
Is the next section about the servant coming and telling eveyone what happened?
His parents (foster) were Polybus and Merope? Did they find him on the streets or something and adopt him? Did Oedipus KNOW he had foster parents?
I also don't understand line 916-917 Sorry there's so much :/
-Katie Manzo
I am also with Katie and Sadie. That line doesn't make much sense to me. Also, did they ever find Lauis body? I wasn't sure if they had because Creon said they never found anything but then how did they know for sure Lauis was dead. And if they did find his body you would think they could figure out Oedipus killed him.
ReplyDeleteMy question is that at the end of the reading it kinda of cut of with Oedipus starting to believe that he was actually the killer but then Jocasta was like comforting him saying it was not proven. So was Oedipus really the killer of king Lauis, who is also his father?
ReplyDeleteI was wondering the same thing as basketballer4814. Did they ever find King Laius' body? And if they did, you would think they'd know who killed him. If they never found his body, they should have done some investigation or at least looked for it to see who could have killed him.
ReplyDeleteI had trouble with lines 655-670 because I was over thinking it. I know now that I have to read it once. Then read it again. Annotate, and THEN think about it.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was weird that Oedipus had no idea that he actually murdered King Laius. I really want to know what will happen when the people of Thebes find out that he murdered their past king, even though he had no idea who it was. Oedipus didn't even know that it was his own father! This is crazy.. Alisha had a good point though.. The murder wasn't proven, but it still seems like the odds are against Oedipus, meaning that he most likely is the murderer that people have been looking for the whole time.
ReplyDeleteI am wondering the same thing as everyone else. I don't understand lines 958 through 999. It was confusing but all the other parts of scene 2 made sense to me. Also I am wondering if there is more to the story or does it just end there. Because it just started to get interesting to me.
ReplyDeleteI had trouble with 960 through 975, i wasnt sure what they meant by all the metaphores, like "climbs to the rooftop snf plunges sheer down to ruin that must be" Its weird because every other part of the story made at least a grain of sense and this one means none to me. Its obviously a metaphor but one that i cant seem to identify without trying to find a literal refrence.
ReplyDeleteI found the reading not all that confusing. At some parts I didn't know what was happening so I just read it over. I did not get one part though. When Oedipus and Creon were talking or really I should say arguing, I guess I just don't understand why Oedipus submitted so easily to what the chorus had to say. It didn't make sense knowing oedipus' character for him to just give up on the argument like that. To Francois I think the metaphor used there is Oedipus had just reached the top but because of the "accidental" murder of king lauis he is going to be outcastes and will hit rock bottom. Hopefully that made some sense.
ReplyDeleteAlso like everyone else, I am wondering the same thing. Did they ever find out who killed King Laius' body? If so, did they ever figure out who murdered him? The whole play is pretty much based on Oedipus and the murder of King Laius but it seems like they never had a solution to the murder.
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I did not understand who Oedipus thought his father was. It spoke of so many men in the passages that I am confused. I know that his real father was king Laius but who did Oedipus think was his father? Aron I Believe that Oedipus gave up without a fight when the chorus stepped in because they are his citizens. All great rules don’t want to make accusations in front of his people.
ReplyDeleteI was also wondering the same thing as Ashley and basketballer4814, did they ever find King Laius' body? And if they did find his body wouldn't they be able to tell that Oedipus was the one who killed him? I don't know? It just confused me I guess.
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Oedipus was raised by Polybus (adopted father) and Merope (adopted mother.) He had no reason to believe that he was adopted because they never told him.
ReplyDeleteWhat Literary element used in “What have you designed, O Zeus, to do with me"?
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